Presidential election

[Tom Sathre]

laz,

Responding to this note of yours is across supper time for me. I read your
note before supper and am writing you after supper. I used to have one
response but now have another. OWR, then, is like so many other words that
are supported by Scripture but not used, per se, in Scripture: "rapture"
and "Trinity" are other examples of words like OWR in this respect.

Tom.

Tom Sathre
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[Original Message]
Date: 11/1/2004 9:50:53 PM
Subject: Re: { Questioners } Presidential election
As far as I can tell the phrase itself comes from man and mans
understanding/interpretation of eschatology.
laz

laz,
So where did the phrase "one world religion" come from?
Tom.
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[Original Message]
Date: 10/25/2004 1:44:27 PM
Subject: Re: { Questioners } Presidential election
There is no phrase OWR in scripture. And I admit my opinion in

this may

be slanted some from past church teachings.
Yet the scripture does seem to point to this happening with the

false

prophet and the apostasy.
laz
On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:57:46 -0600 "Tom Sathre"

laz,
This is Tom Sathre.
So, where did the phrase OWR come from? Chapter and verse,

please -

or the
phases' secular origin if it's not Biblical.
Tom.
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[Original Message]
Date: 10/19/2004 1:31:17 PM
Subject: Re: { Questioners } Presidential election
I use OWR and ONW in the same context, one backs the other and

this comes

from the 'picture' put forth in scripture concerning the last

days.

Religion and economics will play a major part in the rising up

of

these

2.
BTW- this is not 'modern prophecy' excepting in regards to we

are

living

in so called modern times. These prophecies are thousands of

years

old.

shalom
laz
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 10:09:46 -0600 "Tom Sathre"

laz,
I'm using 'perjoration' in its ordinary sense. A rough

equivalent is

"put
down" or 'name calling'.
... and I certainly do know what "one world religion" means.

I

was

asking
where that phrase comes from. There are several references

in

Revelation to
"whole world" and its grammatical cousins, which might mean

the

same

as
"OWR". Also, "OWR" is fairly commonly used by people with

interest

in
modern prophecy. But, you, please, tell me where you got the

term.

I
suspect that the phrase "OWR" is used rather loosely,

perhaps as

an

"empty
put down".
Tom.
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[Original Message]
Date: 10/12/2004 6:20:43 PM
Subject: Re: { Questioners } Presidential election
1st, what does 'perjoration' mean?
Later day prophesies point to a time where a humanist

religion

and

secular government will join hands as one serving the

other.

religion

serving government, in which the government will be in

the

hands

of one

man, Anti-Messiah...or really a better term to use would

be

'one

whom

claims to be Messiah, but is not.
We see this happening in this day, and for quite a number

of

years

now it

has been growing. As different denominations and such come

together

compromising the faith in the name of love of grace and

mercy

and

forming

one new religion. One of Hindu's, Buddhists, Baptist,

Methodists,

Achiest, Agnostics, Satanists, etc....... All one in the

name

of

peace,

love, and other things falsely. Counterfeit. Liars.

Pretenders.

Enemies

of the true faith. Denying the power of the spirit and the

truth's

of

YHWH and His Salvation/Y'Shua.
These will eventually worship the Beast and the Pretender.

Taking

on the

number, whatever that looks like or comes to be in the

natural

and

spiritual.
Those who are of the real, the chosen of YHWH, the set

apart

assemblies,

the true Israel, will be persecuted by the counterfeit.

They

will

refuse

to worship the Beast and most likely be labeled

troublemakers

and

blasphemers by the counterfeit. And the counterfeit will

believe

she is

doing 'god' a favor.
The real will trust YHWH, and live from the Bread of Life

and

be a

very

real thorn in the side of the counterfeit by her

uncompromising

light of

truth and trust in Him.
The counterfeit will hate the real, as she does now.

Because

she

cannot

bear the truth or the revealing light of the truth.
I am curious? You are the very 1st person I have spoken

this

to

who does

not know what I am talking about? Even among

non-believers.

shalom
laz
On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:42:53 -0600 "Tom Sathre"

Laz,
This is Tom Sathre.
What is the origin and meaning of "one world religion"?

I'm

concerned that
it is too often used as general perjoration, not very

specific

at

all.
Tom.
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[Original Message]
Date: 10/3/2004 6:19:38 PM
Subject: Re: { Questioners } Presidential election
On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 17:00:31 -0500 "Jonathan E.

Brickman"

Even in this I have a sense of foreboding and

trembling.

Because

the

Spirit will direct according to the will of the

Father

and

just

HOW the

shaking will advance. On the one hand we have one

candidate

who

would

turn over the sovereignty of the nation to an

Global

Counsel

so to

speak.

On the other hand we have another who is against

doing

this at

all.
I would like to suggest that both candidates are

eager

to

turn

over

sovereignty of the U.S.A. I would like to suggest

that

the

difference is the challenger would do it openly,

whereas

the

incumbent is doing it covertly and lying about it to

those

who

would

rather not see it happen.

Well, I know the consperatists claim these things. I

learned

long

ago

that the consperacy theories missed some very

important

truth's.

They

have been around since before the time thay were

capable

of

forming the

links sais of them to perform global power. It has

only

been

the

last

several years that this has been posible at all.
So I havve learned to take all theories with a grain

of

salt

and

smile..... For the truth of the matter is MUCH more

sinister

and

terrifying. The real consperacy is in the heavenlies.

It

only

works

out

in the natural as well at it is able to pursuade man

to

follow.

The catch and enemy of the power in the heavenlies in

this

is

Y'shua and

His redemptive work. So ANY who will choose to believe

in

Him

and

follow

Him will be saved and freed from the deception of this

heavenly

power.

Either way, it has already been prophesied what will

come

to

be.

To try

and get beyond this or surpass this is to 'kick

against

the

pricks'. Not

to say we have no battle of our own in Him, but that

the

prophesies will

come to pass no matter what.
There WILL be one world government and one world

religion.

The

test and

trial is who will be given over to it vs. who will

stand,

in

faith,

against it.

To turn our sovereignty over would mean eventual

an

Islamic

overflow in

all the nation I believe, as well as bring us in

alignment

with

the One

World (eventual) government (and religion). In

turn

which

will

eventually

turn its back on Israel completely, which history

shows is

the

first step

before persecution comes to the rest of the House

of

Israel

(which

includes the church).

I would like to suggest that the Islamic overflow

will

occur, or

will be prevented by God, no matter which candidate

wins.

True. Only HOW this comes about is what I am

addressing.

I believe we all have been seeing this shaking for

a

number of

years.

Many of us have called it this or that, but we

have

all

felt

something.

The problem is just as this election, some say the

Lord

says

this,

others

that. THIS should shake us NOW.

Indeed. But the Lord says that nothing should shake

us

at

all,

save

Himself. Do you remember?

Do you remember He said, 'Yet once again, I will shake

ALL

THINGS,

in the

heavenlies and in the earth'? This IS part of that

shaking.

What

did you

think it would look like in the beginning?

I know this is long, For that I apologize. But I

cannot

possible

even

write all I have been seeing and perhaps am not

to.

But

to

not

speak

would be a sin I believe.

Not to speak about what? About the fact that the

Body

of

Christ

should be worrying about cares of this world? I

suggest

that

according to the Lord, the Body of Christ should not

be

worrying

about cares of this world.

Did I say a thing about worry? Do you really think I

am

speaking

about

the cares of this world? Or is it that maybe in truth

the

cares of

this

world have need of being 'shaken' from us perhaps?

What do

you

think?

We as His people HAVE TO come into the oneness

Y'shua

spoke

of,

prayed to

be, and said would be. I know this oneness doesn't

mean we

are

not

individuals within the oneness, but that we

discern in

the

spirit

truly

according to His will. Step in step, hand in hand

as

one,

in

the

natural

as well as the spirit. Uncompromising in the

faith,

faces

set

like

flint

towards the goal, and this for and to His glory,

His

namesake

alone.
I suggest that this oneness you speak of will only

occur

at

the

last

day, when the Lord separates the wheat from the

chaff.

I suggest you deny the power of the Spirit and do not

understand

what the

seperating will look like. Read John 17 again. Y'shua

was

not

speaking of

future, unatainable things as much as here and now

things.

Something much of the first century body have which we

have

lost.

--
Jonathan E. Brickman

shalom
laz
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I would have to say yes, as for as my understanding goes. But I am also
much more inclined to follow this line of reasoning considering the OWR,
than the rapture theory which scripture teaches in opposition to. Trinity
is another matter, the problem being humans trying to explain the
unexplainable. In the process they divide Elohim into three seperate
'person'. When Elohim is not a person at all, but Elohim. He is not a man
that He should be in the limitations which His creation/man has.

Hope you enjoyed your supper...<s>... I fxed and ate some righteous
homecooked turnip greens and turnips myself!

shalom
laz

Post by Tom Sathre
laz,
Responding to this note of yours is across supper time for me. I
read your
note before supper and am writing you after supper. I used to have
one
response but now have another. OWR, then, is like so many other
words that
"rapture"
and "Trinity" are other examples of words like OWR in this respect.
Tom.
Tom Sathre
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[Original Message]
Date: 11/1/2004 9:50:53 PM
Subject: Re: { Questioners } Presidential election
As far as I can tell the phrase itself comes from man and mans
understanding/interpretation of eschatology.
laz
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 08:13:45 -0700 "Tom Sathre"

laz,
So where did the phrase "one world religion" come from?
Tom.
Tom Sathre

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