Presidential election

Discussion:

Tom Sathre

2004-10-11 00:42:53 UTC

Laz,

This is Tom Sathre.

What is the origin and meaning of "one world religion"? I'm concerned that
it is too often used as general perjoration, not very specific at all.

Tom.

Tom Sathre
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[Original Message]
Date: 10/3/2004 6:19:38 PM
Subject: Re: { Questioners } Presidential election
On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 17:00:31 -0500 "Jonathan E. Brickman"

Even in this I have a sense of foreboding and trembling. Because

the

Spirit will direct according to the will of the Father and just

HOW the

shaking will advance. On the one hand we have one candidate who

would

turn over the sovereignty of the nation to an Global Counsel so to

speak.

On the other hand we have another who is against doing this at

all.
I would like to suggest that both candidates are eager to turn over
sovereignty of the U.S.A. I would like to suggest that the
difference is the challenger would do it openly, whereas the
incumbent is doing it covertly and lying about it to those who would
rather not see it happen.

Well, I know the consperatists claim these things. I learned long ago
that the consperacy theories missed some very important truth's. They
have been around since before the time thay were capable of forming the
links sais of them to perform global power. It has only been the last
several years that this has been posible at all.
So I havve learned to take all theories with a grain of salt and
smile..... For the truth of the matter is MUCH more sinister and
terrifying. The real consperacy is in the heavenlies. It only works out
in the natural as well at it is able to pursuade man to follow.
The catch and enemy of the power in the heavenlies in this is Y'shua and
His redemptive work. So ANY who will choose to believe in Him and follow
Him will be saved and freed from the deception of this heavenly power.
Either way, it has already been prophesied what will come to be. To try
and get beyond this or surpass this is to 'kick against the pricks'. Not
to say we have no battle of our own in Him, but that the prophesies will
come to pass no matter what.
There WILL be one world government and one world religion. The test and
trial is who will be given over to it vs. who will stand, in faith,
against it.

To turn our sovereignty over would mean eventual an Islamic

overflow in

all the nation I believe, as well as bring us in alignment with

the One

World (eventual) government (and religion). In turn which will

eventually

turn its back on Israel completely, which history shows is the

first step

before persecution comes to the rest of the House of Israel

(which

includes the church).

I would like to suggest that the Islamic overflow will occur, or
will be prevented by God, no matter which candidate wins.

True. Only HOW this comes about is what I am addressing.

I believe we all have been seeing this shaking for a number of

years.

Many of us have called it this or that, but we have all felt

something.

The problem is just as this election, some say the Lord says this,

others

that. THIS should shake us NOW.

Indeed. But the Lord says that nothing should shake us at all, save
Himself. Do you remember?

Do you remember He said, 'Yet once again, I will shake ALL THINGS, in the
heavenlies and in the earth'? This IS part of that shaking. What did you
think it would look like in the beginning?

I know this is long, For that I apologize. But I cannot possible

even

write all I have been seeing and perhaps am not to. But to not

speak

would be a sin I believe.

Not to speak about what? About the fact that the Body of Christ
should be worrying about cares of this world? I suggest that
according to the Lord, the Body of Christ should not be worrying
about cares of this world.

Did I say a thing about worry? Do you really think I am speaking about
the cares of this world? Or is it that maybe in truth the cares of this
world have need of being 'shaken' from us perhaps? What do you think?

We as His people HAVE TO come into the oneness Y'shua spoke of,

prayed to

be, and said would be. I know this oneness doesn't mean we are

not

individuals within the oneness, but that we discern in the spirit

truly

according to His will. Step in step, hand in hand as one, in the

natural

as well as the spirit. Uncompromising in the faith, faces set like

flint

towards the goal, and this for and to His glory, His namesake

alone.
I suggest that this oneness you speak of will only occur at the last
day, when the Lord separates the wheat from the chaff.

I suggest you deny the power of the Spirit and do not understand what the
seperating will look like. Read John 17 again. Y'shua was not speaking of
future, unatainable things as much as here and now things.
Something much of the first century body have which we have lost.

--
Jonathan E. Brickman

shalom
laz
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2004-10-12 18:35:10 UTC

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1st, what does 'perjoration' mean?

Later day prophesies point to a time where a humanist religion and
secular government will join hands as one serving the other. religion
serving government, in which the government will be in the hands of one
man, Anti-Messiah...or really a better term to use would be 'one whom
claims to be Messiah, but is not.

We see this happening in this day, and for quite a number of years now it
has been growing. As different denominations and such come together
compromising the faith in the name of love of grace and mercy and forming
one new religion. One of Hindu's, Buddhists, Baptist, Methodists,
Achiest, Agnostics, Satanists, etc....... All one in the name of peace,
love, and other things falsely. Counterfeit. Liars. Pretenders. Enemies
of the true faith. Denying the power of the spirit and the truth's of
YHWH and His Salvation/Y'Shua.

These will eventually worship the Beast and the Pretender. Taking on the
number, whatever that looks like or comes to be in the natural and
spiritual.

Those who are of the real, the chosen of YHWH, the set apart assemblies,
the true Israel, will be persecuted by the counterfeit. They will refuse
to worship the Beast and most likely be labeled troublemakers and
blasphemers by the counterfeit. And the counterfeit will believe she is
doing 'god' a favor.

The real will trust YHWH, and live from the Bread of Life and be a very
real thorn in the side of the counterfeit by her uncompromising light of
truth and trust in Him.

The counterfeit will hate the real, as she does now. Because she cannot
bear the truth or the revealing light of the truth.

I am curious? You are the very 1st person I have spoken this to who does
not know what I am talking about? Even among non-believers.

shalom
laz

Post by Tom Sathre
Laz,
This is Tom Sathre.
What is the origin and meaning of "one world religion"? I'm
concerned that
it is too often used as general perjoration, not very specific at
all.
Tom.
Tom Sathre
(303)973-8035 (H)
(303)677-4697 (W)

[Original Message]
Date: 10/3/2004 6:19:38 PM
Subject: Re: { Questioners } Presidential election
On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 17:00:31 -0500 "Jonathan E. Brickman"

Even in this I have a sense of foreboding and trembling.

Because

the

Spirit will direct according to the will of the Father and

just

HOW the

shaking will advance. On the one hand we have one candidate

who

would

turn over the sovereignty of the nation to an Global Counsel

so to

speak.

On the other hand we have another who is against doing this at

all.
I would like to suggest that both candidates are eager to turn

over

sovereignty of the U.S.A. I would like to suggest that the
difference is the challenger would do it openly, whereas the
incumbent is doing it covertly and lying about it to those who

would

rather not see it happen.

Well, I know the consperatists claim these things. I learned long

ago

that the consperacy theories missed some very important truth's.

They

have been around since before the time thay were capable of

forming the

links sais of them to perform global power. It has only been the

last

several years that this has been posible at all.
So I havve learned to take all theories with a grain of salt and
smile..... For the truth of the matter is MUCH more sinister and
terrifying. The real consperacy is in the heavenlies. It only works

out

in the natural as well at it is able to pursuade man to follow.
The catch and enemy of the power in the heavenlies in this is

Y'shua and

His redemptive work. So ANY who will choose to believe in Him and

Him will be saved and freed from the deception of this heavenly

power.

Either way, it has already been prophesied what will come to be.

To try

and get beyond this or surpass this is to 'kick against the

pricks'. Not

to say we have no battle of our own in Him, but that the

prophesies will

come to pass no matter what.
There WILL be one world government and one world religion. The

test and

trial is who will be given over to it vs. who will stand, in

faith,

against it.

To turn our sovereignty over would mean eventual an Islamic

overflow in

all the nation I believe, as well as bring us in alignment

with

the One

World (eventual) government (and religion). In turn which will

eventually

turn its back on Israel completely, which history shows is the

first step

before persecution comes to the rest of the House of Israel

(which

includes the church).

I would like to suggest that the Islamic overflow will occur, or
will be prevented by God, no matter which candidate wins.

True. Only HOW this comes about is what I am addressing.

I believe we all have been seeing this shaking for a number of

years.

Many of us have called it this or that, but we have all felt

something.

The problem is just as this election, some say the Lord says

this,

others

that. THIS should shake us NOW.

Indeed. But the Lord says that nothing should shake us at all,

save

Himself. Do you remember?

Do you remember He said, 'Yet once again, I will shake ALL THINGS,

in the

heavenlies and in the earth'? This IS part of that shaking. What

did you

think it would look like in the beginning?

I know this is long, For that I apologize. But I cannot

possible

even

write all I have been seeing and perhaps am not to. But to

not

speak

would be a sin I believe.

Did I say a thing about worry? Do you really think I am speaking

about

the cares of this world? Or is it that maybe in truth the cares of

this

world have need of being 'shaken' from us perhaps? What do you

think?

We as His people HAVE TO come into the oneness Y'shua spoke

of,

prayed to

be, and said would be. I know this oneness doesn't mean we are

not

individuals within the oneness, but that we discern in the

spirit

truly

according to His will. Step in step, hand in hand as one, in

the

natural

as well as the spirit. Uncompromising in the faith, faces set

flint

towards the goal, and this for and to His glory, His namesake

alone.
I suggest that this oneness you speak of will only occur at the

last

day, when the Lord separates the wheat from the chaff.

I suggest you deny the power of the Spirit and do not understand

what the

seperating will look like. Read John 17 again. Y'shua was not

speaking of

future, unatainable things as much as here and now things.
Something much of the first century body have which we have lost.

--
Jonathan E. Brickman

shalom
laz
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Tom Sathre

2004-10-17 16:09:46 UTC

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laz,

I'm using 'perjoration' in its ordinary sense. A rough equivalent is "put
down" or 'name calling'.

... and I certainly do know what "one world religion" means. I was asking
where that phrase comes from. There are several references in Revelation to
"whole world" and its grammatical cousins, which might mean the same as
"OWR". Also, "OWR" is fairly commonly used by people with interest in
modern prophecy. But, you, please, tell me where you got the term. I
suspect that the phrase "OWR" is used rather loosely, perhaps as an "empty
put down".

Tom.

Tom Sathre
Address: ***@acm.org
(303)973-8035 (H)
(303)677-0735 (W)

[Original Message]
Date: 10/12/2004 6:20:43 PM
Subject: Re: { Questioners } Presidential election
1st, what does 'perjoration' mean?
Later day prophesies point to a time where a humanist religion and
secular government will join hands as one serving the other. religion
serving government, in which the government will be in the hands of one
man, Anti-Messiah...or really a better term to use would be 'one whom
claims to be Messiah, but is not.
We see this happening in this day, and for quite a number of years now it
has been growing. As different denominations and such come together
compromising the faith in the name of love of grace and mercy and forming
one new religion. One of Hindu's, Buddhists, Baptist, Methodists,
Achiest, Agnostics, Satanists, etc....... All one in the name of peace,
love, and other things falsely. Counterfeit. Liars. Pretenders. Enemies
of the true faith. Denying the power of the spirit and the truth's of
YHWH and His Salvation/Y'Shua.
These will eventually worship the Beast and the Pretender. Taking on the
number, whatever that looks like or comes to be in the natural and
spiritual.
Those who are of the real, the chosen of YHWH, the set apart assemblies,
the true Israel, will be persecuted by the counterfeit. They will refuse
to worship the Beast and most likely be labeled troublemakers and
blasphemers by the counterfeit. And the counterfeit will believe she is
doing 'god' a favor.
The real will trust YHWH, and live from the Bread of Life and be a very
real thorn in the side of the counterfeit by her uncompromising light of
truth and trust in Him.
The counterfeit will hate the real, as she does now. Because she cannot
bear the truth or the revealing light of the truth.
I am curious? You are the very 1st person I have spoken this to who does
not know what I am talking about? Even among non-believers.
shalom
laz

[Original Message]
Date: 10/3/2004 6:19:38 PM
Subject: Re: { Questioners } Presidential election
On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 17:00:31 -0500 "Jonathan E. Brickman"

Even in this I have a sense of foreboding and trembling.

Because

the

Spirit will direct according to the will of the Father and

just

HOW the

shaking will advance. On the one hand we have one candidate

who

would

turn over the sovereignty of the nation to an Global Counsel

so to

speak.

On the other hand we have another who is against doing this at

all.
I would like to suggest that both candidates are eager to turn

over

sovereignty of the U.S.A. I would like to suggest that the
difference is the challenger would do it openly, whereas the
incumbent is doing it covertly and lying about it to those who

would

rather not see it happen.

Well, I know the consperatists claim these things. I learned long

ago

that the consperacy theories missed some very important truth's.

They

have been around since before the time thay were capable of

forming the

links sais of them to perform global power. It has only been the

last

out

in the natural as well at it is able to pursuade man to follow.
The catch and enemy of the power in the heavenlies in this is

Y'shua and

His redemptive work. So ANY who will choose to believe in Him and

Him will be saved and freed from the deception of this heavenly

power.

Either way, it has already been prophesied what will come to be.

To try

and get beyond this or surpass this is to 'kick against the

pricks'. Not

to say we have no battle of our own in Him, but that the

prophesies will

come to pass no matter what.
There WILL be one world government and one world religion. The

test and

trial is who will be given over to it vs. who will stand, in

faith,

against it.

To turn our sovereignty over would mean eventual an Islamic

overflow in

all the nation I believe, as well as bring us in alignment

with

the One

World (eventual) government (and religion). In turn which will

eventually

turn its back on Israel completely, which history shows is the

first step

before persecution comes to the rest of the House of Israel

(which

includes the church).

I would like to suggest that the Islamic overflow will occur, or
will be prevented by God, no matter which candidate wins.

True. Only HOW this comes about is what I am addressing.

I believe we all have been seeing this shaking for a number of

years.

Many of us have called it this or that, but we have all felt

something.

The problem is just as this election, some say the Lord says

this,

others

that. THIS should shake us NOW.

Indeed. But the Lord says that nothing should shake us at all,

save

Himself. Do you remember?

Do you remember He said, 'Yet once again, I will shake ALL THINGS,

in the

heavenlies and in the earth'? This IS part of that shaking. What

did you

think it would look like in the beginning?

I know this is long, For that I apologize. But I cannot

possible

even

write all I have been seeing and perhaps am not to. But to

not

speak

would be a sin I believe.

Did I say a thing about worry? Do you really think I am speaking

about

the cares of this world? Or is it that maybe in truth the cares of

this

world have need of being 'shaken' from us perhaps? What do you

think?

We as His people HAVE TO come into the oneness Y'shua spoke

of,

prayed to

be, and said would be. I know this oneness doesn't mean we are

not

individuals within the oneness, but that we discern in the

spirit

truly

according to His will. Step in step, hand in hand as one, in

the

natural

as well as the spirit. Uncompromising in the faith, faces set

flint

towards the goal, and this for and to His glory, His namesake

alone.
I suggest that this oneness you speak of will only occur at the

last

day, when the Lord separates the wheat from the chaff.

I suggest you deny the power of the Spirit and do not understand

what the

seperating will look like. Read John 17 again. Y'shua was not

speaking of

future, unatainable things as much as here and now things.
Something much of the first century body have which we have lost.

--
Jonathan E. Brickman

shalom
laz
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2004-10-19 14:25:31 UTC

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I use OWR and ONW in the same context, one backs the other and this comes
from the 'picture' put forth in scripture concerning the last days.
Religion and economics will play a major part in the rising up of these
2.

BTW- this is not 'modern prophecy' excepting in regards to we are living
in so called modern times. These prophecies are thousands of years old.

shalom
laz

Post by Tom Sathre
laz,
I'm using 'perjoration' in its ordinary sense. A rough equivalent is
"put
down" or 'name calling'.
... and I certainly do know what "one world religion" means. I was
asking
where that phrase comes from. There are several references in
Revelation to
"whole world" and its grammatical cousins, which might mean the same
as
"OWR". Also, "OWR" is fairly commonly used by people with interest
in
modern prophecy. But, you, please, tell me where you got the term.
I
suspect that the phrase "OWR" is used rather loosely, perhaps as an
"empty
put down".
Tom.
Tom Sathre
(303)973-8035 (H)
(303)677-0735 (W)

[Original Message]
Date: 10/12/2004 6:20:43 PM
Subject: Re: { Questioners } Presidential election
1st, what does 'perjoration' mean?
Later day prophesies point to a time where a humanist religion

and

secular government will join hands as one serving the other.

religion

serving government, in which the government will be in the hands

of one

man, Anti-Messiah...or really a better term to use would be 'one

whom

claims to be Messiah, but is not.
We see this happening in this day, and for quite a number of years

now it

has been growing. As different denominations and such come

together

compromising the faith in the name of love of grace and mercy and

forming

one new religion. One of Hindu's, Buddhists, Baptist, Methodists,
Achiest, Agnostics, Satanists, etc....... All one in the name of

peace,

love, and other things falsely. Counterfeit. Liars. Pretenders.

Enemies

of the true faith. Denying the power of the spirit and the truth's

YHWH and His Salvation/Y'Shua.
These will eventually worship the Beast and the Pretender. Taking

on the

number, whatever that looks like or comes to be in the natural

and

spiritual.
Those who are of the real, the chosen of YHWH, the set apart

assemblies,

the true Israel, will be persecuted by the counterfeit. They will

refuse

to worship the Beast and most likely be labeled troublemakers and
blasphemers by the counterfeit. And the counterfeit will believe

she is

doing 'god' a favor.
The real will trust YHWH, and live from the Bread of Life and be a

very

real thorn in the side of the counterfeit by her uncompromising

light of

truth and trust in Him.
The counterfeit will hate the real, as she does now. Because she

cannot

bear the truth or the revealing light of the truth.
I am curious? You are the very 1st person I have spoken this to

who does

not know what I am talking about? Even among non-believers.
shalom
laz
On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:42:53 -0600 "Tom Sathre"

Post by Tom Sathre
Laz,
This is Tom Sathre.
What is the origin and meaning of "one world religion"? I'm
concerned that
it is too often used as general perjoration, not very specific

Post by Tom Sathre
all.
Tom.
Tom Sathre
(303)973-8035 (H)
(303)677-4697 (W)

[Original Message]
Date: 10/3/2004 6:19:38 PM
Subject: Re: { Questioners } Presidential election
On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 17:00:31 -0500 "Jonathan E. Brickman"

Even in this I have a sense of foreboding and trembling.

Because

the

Spirit will direct according to the will of the Father and

just

HOW the

shaking will advance. On the one hand we have one

candidate

Post by Tom Sathre
who

would

turn over the sovereignty of the nation to an Global

Counsel

Post by Tom Sathre
so to

speak.

On the other hand we have another who is against doing

this at