Yes, it took several years to finally get a 'written' constitution and
set all the things into law. Yet at first it was commonly just accepted
and lived.
running from persecution. So we see there was more than one societal
structure rising up at one time.
inclinations and ideals.
THIS eventually won out, but at a cost, as compromise entered in. But the
root was still the same.
influenced/came from. As well as to read the works of the founding
fathers of this nation. And yet history, before the founding fathers, is
more inclusive and reflective of this.
Post by Tom Sathrelaz,
This is Tom Sathre. The reason I used an unbound variable ("XYZ") in
my
note is to avoid the irrelevance of getting it wrong. But, if you
prefer me
to use a bound variable, just tell me what you prefer.
Mind if I ask again? What is the opposite viewpoint is? I mean,
"opposite"
to the assertion that this nation was founded on XYZ principles. I
think
you used "XYZ=Judeo-Christian" but I may be wrong. Didn't the
Founding
occupy years and years, not a moment in time?
Tom.
Tom Sathre
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[Original Message]
Date: 11/9/2004 3:43:11 PM
Subject: Re: { Questioners } Re: Recent dead in war
As Jon said, the XYZ makes this thread hard to follow for me. But
I
believe I get the jist of what you are asking. Must be the way my
mind
thinks?
Before the 'founding fathers' wrote our constitution or anything
else
there were many people who migrated here who believed in Y'Shua
as
Messiah and obeyed the Torah of YHWH. They celebrated the
appointed times
of YHWH (at least as required without there being a Temple),
observed the
true Sabbath, and all this entails.
YEARS skipped here!**************
Later the 'founding fathers' wrote the 'foundational principals'
of how
to live and how we would live in this nation as a believing pepole
of
God. No matter that they had already either rejected, denied, or
just
lost/forgot what the first ones were about. They laid hold of
Jesus as
Christ and took their moral standard for the 'new government'
from
scriptural instruction. Even though they did not take this all the
way,
and mixed it with traditions of man.
We were not founded into a non-believing nation, or one which
lived by
the standards of any other country.
Now on a more complicated part of this (complicated because it is
only
just now being revealed in the last several years) is just WHO WE
ARE.
And the answer to this is we are of the Northern Kingdom of Israel
the
Lost Tribes. In fact there is most likely very few real gentiles
left
after over 2700 years of assimilation with the nations while we
are still
in dispersion among the nations for our punishment!
Understand we are not Judah/Jew, but Israel. And as with Israel
some
Jews/of Judah are here with us, just as Judah is only in tribe of
Israel
out of 12.
So you see it is geneticaly bound in and to us, no matter those
who deny
it.
In essense I suppose you could say that the true foundation of
this
nation is from the beginning. For YHWH proclaimed this before the
foundations of the world were laid in and by His Word.
Selah
laz
On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 18:41:02 -0700 "Tom Sathre"
Jonathan & laz,
You cite a commonly made claim - that this nation was founded on
XYZ
values
and morals - whatever XYZ may be, you choose. But I would ask
you
what the
opposite viewpoint is. I've read many citations of words from
the
Founding
Fathers about why they did what they did. But I know, about
myself,
that a
quotation from me today might be different from a quotation from
me
last
year. Didn't the Founding take longer than that?
Tom.
Tom Sathre
(303)973-8035 (H)
(303)677-0735 (W)
[Original Message]
Date: 11/2/2004 4:06:03 PM
Subject: Re: { Questioners } Re: Recent dead in war
This nation was founded upon Judeo-Christian values and
morals.
I know that the U.S.A. was founded upon morals to be found in
the
Old
Testament. Thus I do understand the the U.S.A. was founded
upon
certain
Jewish morals. But I have never seen any of the commandments
of
the
Lord Jesus Christ in law of the U.S.A. Can you name any?
--
Jonathan E. Brickman
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